Trump sends Rudy Giuliani to dispute ballot deadline in Pennsylvania

‘Do you think we are fools?’ Trump sends in Rudy Giuliani and son Eric to dispute Supreme Court ballot deadline in Pennsylvania claiming the mail-in vote could be from ‘Mars, Canada, or dead people’

  • As President Trump’s chances at victory of re-election shrank on Wednesday, his campaign laid out their tactics to cling on to the presidency ranging from voting recounts to multiple lawsuits in battleground states
  • He sent son Eric and personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani into Pennsylvania after he filed a lawsuit over counting 
  • Both claimed a Trump victory in the state despite roughly one million mail-in ballots remaining uncounted
  • They also accused the Democrats of cheating as Giuliani asked ‘Do you think we’re fools?’ 
  • The campaign seeking to intervene in an ongoing Supreme Court case involving the deadline for receiving mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania
  • Giuliani claimed that that mail-in ballots are open to fraud and could have come from ‘Mars or Canada’  
  • The Trump campaign have already demanded a recount in Wisconsin and filed a similar lawsuit in Michigan 
  • Despite the moves to ensure Trump doesn’t go down without a fight, his campaign insists they are still confident of an election victory 
  • Trump lost Wisconsin on Wednesday afternoon after Joe Biden forged ahead with 20,000 votes, or a 0.6% victory, in the key battleground state 
  • He also lost Michigan where Biden is ahead by 1.2% with 67,000 more votes but Trump still maintains victory
  • While Trump is currently leading in Pennsylvania, Georgia and North Carolina, winning all three will not be enough to claim a clean victory. He needs to snatch back Michigan to be in with a chance 
  • Trump’s own Republican party made it more difficult for candidates to get a recount in Wisconsin and Michigan after his narrow 2016 win 

President Donald Trump sent his son Eric and personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani into Pennsylvania on Wednesday as he mounted a challenge to the state’s Supreme Court decision on the deadline for mail-in ballots amid his worsening chances of winning reelection.  

In a press conference held in Philadelphia on Wednesday afternoon Giuliani and the first son claimed the president won the state, despite roughly one million mail-in ballots still needing to be counted and no news organizations yet calling the race.

Neither man offered a legal argument for a win or proof of any voter fraud but made claims of cheating on the part of the opposition party.

‘They’re trying to cheat, they’re trying to cheat,’ Eric Trump said repeatedly of the Democrats.

But Giuliani ranted for several minutes about mail-in ballots, which he claimed without proof, could be falsified.

‘This is beyond anything I have ever seen before,’ he said. ‘Do you think we’re stupid? Do you think we’re fools? 

‘You know something, Democrats do think you’re stupid,’ Giuliani added. ‘And they do think you’re fools. That’s why you get called ‘deplorable’ and ‘chumps’.

‘We’re going to stick with this. We’re going to win this election. We’ve actually won it. It’s just a matter of counting the votes fairly.’

Giuliani complained the mail-in ballots could have come from Mars or Canada – or could simply be one person who sent in 100,000 votes. 

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Rudy Giuliani, a lawyer for President Donald Trump, speaks during a news conference on legal challenges to vote counting in Pennsylvania on Wednesday afternoon after the president filed a lawsuit despite one million votes remaining uncounted

‘Do you think we’re stupid? Do you think we’re fools?’ Giuliani claimed of the vote count

Eric Trump hit out at Democrats claiming that they are cheating and trying to steal the state 

‘We have won Pennsylvania!’ Eric tweeted but it was hit with a notice that the race had not been officially called

‘VICTORY for President @realDonaldTrump in PENNSYLVANIA,’ White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany also said

Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani headed to Pennsylvania on Wednesday as his campaign mounted a legal challenge

‘We have no idea if there signed, postmarked properly, if it isn’t the same person who submitted 100,000 ballots,’ he said as he offered no proof of his allegations. 

‘This is the way they intend to win,’ Giuliani continued. ‘We’re not going to let them get away with it.’ 

‘This is one of the most unDemocratic things I’ve ever seen or encountered.’  

Trump, his family, campaign and even White House staff doubled down on their claims of a win in Pennsylvania on social media with many of their posts quickly flagged and hit with a notification about misinformation. 

‘We have won Pennsylvania!’ Eric tweeted before Twitter placed a notice on the post to inform users that the race had not been officially called. 

White House Press Secretary Kayleigh McEnany was also hit with the same notice after tweeting: ‘VICTORY for President @realDonaldTrump in PENNSYLVANIA.’  

‘Will not let Philly Democrat hacks steal it!’ also said in a tweet on his way to the press conference. 

Trump himself declared victory in not only Pennsylvania but in Georgia and North Carolina as well, both of which are still tallying votes. 

He also announced himself the winner in Michigan despite results showing it has gone to Biden. 

Trump’s daughter-in-law Lara listens as Giuliani and her husband Eric speak Wednesday

Giuliani claimed that Trump has won Pennsylvania despite votes still needing to be counted

Giuliani insisted that mail-in voting meant one person could have cast 100,000 votes although he offered no proof

‘We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead,’ the president wrote in another flagged for inaccurate information. 

‘Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact.’  

Trump’s apparent confidence comes despite him inching closer towards defeat today after losing Wisconsin and Michigan after prematurely declaring overall victory in the nail-biting presidential election. 

His campaign manager Bill Stepien said they had won in Pennsylvania, despite the result still being calculated, and he rejected the call giving Biden a win in Arizona.

Campaign advisor Jason Miller told journalists that by the end of the week, Trump’s reelection ‘will be clear to the entire nation’.

Yet officials in Pennsylvania are still urging for patience. Trump had a roughly 500,000 vote lead with an estimated 78 percent of the vote counted but votes were awaited from heavily Democratic parts of the state, promising to level things up.

‘We have to be patient,’ Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolf said. ‘We may not know the results today.

‘There are millions of mail-in ballots,’ he said. ‘They’re going to be counted accurately and they will be counted fully.’

The Democratic governor shrugged off criticism from the White House over the slow vote count and said ‘our democracy is being tested in this election.’

‘Pennsylvania will have a fair election,’ he said. ‘And that election will be free of outside influences.’

As Trump’s chances at victory of re-election shrank on Wednesday, his campaign laid out their tactics to cling on to the presidency – ranging from recounts to multiple lawsuits in battleground states.  

The Trump campaign have already demanded a recount in Wisconsin and they have filed lawsuits in both Michigan and Pennsylvania to demand better access for campaign observers to locations where ballots are being processed and counted.  

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The Trump campaign have already demanded a recount in Wisconsin and they have filed lawsuits in both Michigan and Pennsylvania to demand better access for campaign observers to locations where ballots are being processed and counted. 

The campaign is also seeking to intervene in an ongoing Supreme Court case that deals with whether ballots received up to three days after the election can be counted in Pennsylvania. 

Despite the measures to ensure Trump doesn’t go down without a fight, his campaign insists they are still confident of an election victory – even though both Wisconsin and Michigan flipped in favor of Biden on Wednesday afternoon. 

So what will Trump’s tactics mean for the battleground states? 

WISCONSIN 

The Trump campaign demanded a recount in Wisconsin after Biden won the state with 20,000 votes on Wednesday afternoon.  

‘The President is well within the threshold to request a recount and we will immediately do so,’ Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien said in a statement in relation to Wisconsin.

‘There have been reports of irregularities in several Wisconsin counties which raise serious doubts about the validity of the results.’ 

Statewide recounts in Wisconsin have historically changed the vote tally by only a few hundred votes. Biden leads by .624 percentage points out of nearly 3.3 million ballots counted. 

In 2016, Trump won Wisconsin by fewer than 23,000 votes, a breakthrough that along with wins in Michigan and Pennsylvania helped hand him his first term in the White House. 

Trump’s own party, however, made it more difficult for candidates to get a recount in both Wisconsin and Michigan in the aftermath of his 2016 Electoral College win.  

In Wisconsin, a losing candidate can ask for a recount if the margin stays within 1 per cent. If the difference between Biden and Trump remains under 1 percent, Trump will be able to request said recount and must do so by 5pm on the first business day following the vote canvass. 

Trump will have to pay for the recount if the margin remains larger than .25 percent, but his money will be refunded if the winner flips. If the Trump campaign’s recount request were to be granted, it would need to be completed within 13 days. 

MICHIGAN 

In Michigan, Trump’s campaign filed a lawsuit Wednesday afternoon, claiming that they weren’t given proper access to polling stations to oversee the process, which they argue means they can’t trust it. 

‘As votes in Michigan continue to be counted, the presidential race in the state remains extremely tight as we always knew it would be. President Trump’s campaign has not been provided with meaningful access to numerous counting locations to observe the opening of ballots and the counting process, as guaranteed by Michigan law,’ campaign manager Bill Stepien said. 

‘We have filed suit today in the Michigan Court of Claims to halt counting until meaningful access has been granted. We also demand to review those ballots which were opened and counted while we did not have meaningful access.

‘President Trump is committed to ensuring that all legal votes are counted in Michigan and everywhere else.’

It is not yet clear if the Trump campaign will demand a recount in Michigan or other states, like he has in Wisconsin. 

In Michigan, a recount is triggered if candidates are within 2,000 votes from each other.

Still, the Trump campaign could pay for a recount, as the law – which was also revised in 2016 – allows for one if the losing candidate has a reasonable chance of winning.

The recount would have to be requested within 48 hours of the vote canvass. The deadline to finish the count is 30 days after it starts. 

PENNSYLVANIA

Meanwhile, the Trump campaign has also filed a lawsuit in Pennsylvania to temporarily halt ballot counting until there is ‘meaningful transparency’.

Justin Clark, Trump’s deputy campaign manager, said in a statement on Wednesday that the campaign is ‘suing to stop Democrat election officials from hiding the ballot counting and processing from our Republican poll observers.’ 

He said the campaign wants ‘to temporarily halt counting until there is meaningful transparency and Republicans can ensure all counting is done above board and by the law.’

Clark also said the campaign would seek to intervene in an ongoing Supreme Court case involving the deadline for receiving mail-in ballots in the state.

There have been no reports by law enforcement of fraud or any type of ballot concerns out of Pennsylvania. 

The state had 3.1 million ballots mailed out that take time to count, and an order allows them to be counted up until Friday if they are postmarked by November 3. 

In Pennsylvania, a recount is automatic if the margin of victory is less than or equal to 0.5 percentage point.

Two other avenues for requesting recounts include requiring at least three voter signatures that attest to an error in the vote tally and going to state court to file petitions alleging fraud and error.

RULES FOR RECOUNTS IN BATTLEGROUNDS

WISCONSIN

Automatic recount: No

Recount law: A full or partial recount can be requested if the margin of victory is less than or equal to 1 percentage point.

Deadline: For presidential elections, the request must be made by 5 p.m. on the first business day after the state’s vote canvass.

Who pays: The candidate requesting the recount, if the margin is more than 0.25 percentage point of the total vote. 

MICHIGAN

Automatic recount: Yes

Recount law: A recount is required if the margin of victory is less than or equal to 2,000 votes.

Deadline: Request for a recount should be made within 48 hours of the vote canvass.

Who pays: The candidate requesting the recount. 

PENNSYLVANIA

Automatic recount: Yes

Recount law: A recount is automatic if the margin of victory is less than or equal to 0.5 percentage point. Two other avenues for requesting recounts include requiring at least three voter signatures that attest to an error in the vote tally, and going to state court to file petitions alleging fraud and error.

Deadline: By 5 p.m. on the second Thursday following the election, for automatic recounts. If a recount is requested, the deadline is five days after the election. Who pays: The candidate requesting the recount. 

NEVADA

Automatic recount: No

Recount law: A candidate who has been defeated can request a recount, regardless of the margin of victory.

Deadline: A recount must be requested within three business days after the state’s vote canvass.

Who pays: The candidate asking for the recount.

Trump’s potential path to victory: Where his campaign thinks he can still secure victories

Trump lost Wisconsin on Wednesday afternoon after Joe Biden forged ahead with 20,000 votes, or a 0.6 percent victory, in the key battleground state. 

The only votes that are not yet counted in Wisconsin are from a small township that is home to 300 people, according to the state’s Election Commission Administrator. 

Trump also lost Michigan in the late afternoon with Biden ahead by 1.2 percentage points.  

While Trump is currently leading in Pennsylvania, Georgia and North Carolina, winning all three will not be enough to claim a clean victory. 

Top Trump campaign officials are predicting that Trump will win Arizona by 30,000 votes when everything is tallied, despite the state flipping overnight and Biden currently ahead by more than 93,000 votes.

Wins in all of those states would give Trump the electoral votes to secure re-election even if he loses both Michigan and Wisconsin. 

Biden only needs to secure Michigan and Nevada, which he is predicted to do, to reach the 270 electoral college votes he needs to claim the White House.

The Trump campaign’s path to victory details how the President can’t be beaten in Georgia and North Carolina where he maintains 50.3 percent and 50.1 percent of votes respectively.

Their path to victory also includes securing Pennsylvania where more than one million ballots are still left to be counted, which the campaign says are mainly from conservative counties.

Trump campaign officials are predicting he’ll win Pennsylvania by 40,000 votes. 

Despite Arizona going to Biden overnight, the Trump campaign believes the traditionally Republican state will flip back by day’s end when a final batch of mail-in ballots are counted.

Trump’s campaign is also predicting he’ll win Nevada by 5,500 votes due to mail-in votes even though it is forecast to go to Biden given Democrats have secured the state in every presidential election since 2004. 

In Nevada, any candidate can request a recount for any reason – but it has to be a full recount of the state. The candidate who requests the recount must pay for it, but like in Wisconsin, the candidate can get his or her money back if the race results flip.

Requests must be filed within three days of the state’s canvass and a recount must be completed within 10 days. 

The Trump campaign has already said it will contest Arizona after Biden flipped the state that has reliably voted Republican in recent elections. 

Despite the overwhelming uncertainty, Trump held a victory party on Tuesday night and said at the White House: ‘Frankly we did win this election. We want all voting to stop. We don’t want them to find any ballots at four in the morning and add them to the list.’

The lawsuits and demands for recounts follow Trump’s tweets first thing Wednesday when he immediately cried fraud and claimed his overnight majority had ‘magically disappeared’ thanks to ‘surprise ballot dumps’ in Democrat states. 

‘Last night I was leading, often solidly, in many key States, in almost all instances Democrat run & controlled. Then, one by one, they started to magically disappear as surprise ballot dumps were counted. VERY STRANGE, and the ‘pollsters’ got it completely & historically wrong!’ he said.

‘How come every time they count Mail-In ballot dumps they are so devastating in their percentage and power of destruction?’

The Trump campaign has already said they expect the matter to end up in the courts. 

DailyMail.com editor at large, Piers Morgan, tweeted on Wednesday that the US should prepare for ‘weeks of mayhem’.

‘Trump’s on the ropes but he’s going to fight this endgame ferociously. Anyone who thinks this election is over is living in cloud cuckoo land. Prepare for weeks of mayhem,’ he said.  

Despite the overwhelming uncertainty, Trump held a victory party on Tuesday night and said at the White House: ‘Frankly we did win this election. We want all voting to stop. We don’t want them to find any ballots at four in the morning and add them to the list.’ 

He said he would take the election to the Supreme Court to stop the counting but it was unclear exactly what legal action he might try to pursue.  

Meanwhile, the Biden campaign said they expected to have declared victory by this afternoon.

‘Joe Biden is on track to win this election and he will be the next president of the United States,’ campaign manager Jennifer O’Malley Dillon told reporters. ‘We believe we are on a clear path to victory by this afternoon.  

Biden, briefly appearing in front of supporters in Delaware overnight, urged patience, saying the election ‘ain’t over until every vote is counted, every ballot is counted.’

‘It’s not my place or Donald Trump’s place to declare who’s won this election,’ Biden said. ‘That’s the decision of the American people.’

THE REAL REASON TRUMP LOST HIS LEAD OVERNIGHT 

President Donald Trump saw his early lead in key state likes Wisconsin and Michigan vanish overnight as mail-in ballots were counted.

Votes cast on Election Day are counted first, followed by the mail-in ballots.

Those mail-in ballots were expected to break for Joe Biden as Democrats urged their supporters to cast their ballots early. Trump, in contrast, pushed his backers to go to the polls on Election Day.

Mail-in ballots generally take longer to count as they have to be checked against voter rolls to confirm it’s a legal ballot from a registered voter – just as when someone who votes in person has to confirm their identity with a poll worker before receiving a ballot.

For example, in Wisconsin, the mail-in ballot envelopes need to be checked against poll books and checked for voter signature, voter address and witness signature requirements before they’re opened. After they’re unsealed, ballots must be smoothed out before they’re fed into tabulating machines. If any ballots are damaged or the machine won’t accept them because they’re too rumpled or creased, the ballot will need to be re-created by poll workers in a time-consuming process dictated by state law, according to local reports.

Additionally, states were dealing with a heavier than usual volume of mail-in ballots because so many voters used that option due to the coronavirus pandemic.

Many of those mail-in ballots came from cities, which tend to contain more Democratic voters.

In Michigan, for example, Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson predicted turnout would likely top 5.26 million – the most in state history – and many voters used mail-in ballots.

Several thousand outstanding ballots remained in Detroit on Wednesday, a heavily Democratic area expected to break for Biden, thereby increasing his vote count in the state.

In Pennsylvania, Trump led in early returns but Biden was expected to make up ground as mail-in ballots, particularly in the heavily Democratic areas of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, were counted.

State law forbids election officials from counting those ballots until Election Day. That and the large number of ballots led to the extended counting time.

Pennsylvania received roughly 10 times as many mail-in ballots this year than in past elections, Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar said. She said Wednesday there were more than 1.4 million mail-in ballots still to be counted and those votes are expected to heavily favor Biden.

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